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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really enjoyed the cartoon... i do understand your rejection of the word &quot;savages.&quot; in mimetic theory, that word is used to dehumanize and supercede the original spiritual belief with a colonial one. that&#039;s what i was reading in the picture. i really love it as that is what should have happened. in some respects it&#039;s happening now from the inside out.. i feel proud to be part of a denomination that takes &quot;raging against the machine&quot; seriously and builds in a part where churches can talk about issues and polity and doctrines. if only the rest of the body of Christ were so open. that&#039;s what i saw, but i really enjoyed your conversation with fishon. i just wish i could keep my head as well as you do and refrain from name calling ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really enjoyed the cartoon&#8230; i do understand your rejection of the word &#8220;savages.&#8221; in mimetic theory, that word is used to dehumanize and supercede the original spiritual belief with a colonial one. that&#8217;s what i was reading in the picture. i really love it as that is what should have happened. in some respects it&#8217;s happening now from the inside out.. i feel proud to be part of a denomination that takes &#8220;raging against the machine&#8221; seriously and builds in a part where churches can talk about issues and polity and doctrines. if only the rest of the body of Christ were so open. that&#8217;s what i saw, but i really enjoyed your conversation with fishon. i just wish i could keep my head as well as you do and refrain from name calling <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SocietyVs</title>
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		<dc:creator>SocietyVs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Yael and OSS for the comments - good food for thought!

On a side note - today was a damn good day in the Aboriginal community in Regina - one of the best I have ever seen actually. There was the Smudge Walk in North Central (1000 attended - my wife and family attended), the Aboriginal leadership Seminar (200 attended - with 6 speakers - I volunteered there), the Awasis kids pow-wow @ Mosaic Field, FSIN Leg assembly in Saskatoon, and Mosiac Aboriginal Pavillion open tnight (for 3 nights) - it was just one of those good days for my community. 

I really felt we are coming together as a larger community and dealing with past stereotypes about our culture (and us in general) - and doing it in such a united positive way. I really am all smiles today...cartoon brought out the fire in me...but today was the actual kindling for what really matters - a united people(s) doing something positive for the community (5 events). I think this is the reason why I am so quick to be passionate about the Aboriginal community - to see days like these!

I had a chance to talk with an elder today about it all - and we were all smiles about the good things happening around us - despite all the problems we still need to see dealt with and re-focused. I really got a great sense od that community today - and it made my month (which oddly enough is something the group I am a part of &#039;RAPA&#039; is promoting as Aboriginal History Month).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Yael and OSS for the comments &#8211; good food for thought!</p>
<p>On a side note &#8211; today was a damn good day in the Aboriginal community in Regina &#8211; one of the best I have ever seen actually. There was the Smudge Walk in North Central (1000 attended &#8211; my wife and family attended), the Aboriginal leadership Seminar (200 attended &#8211; with 6 speakers &#8211; I volunteered there), the Awasis kids pow-wow @ Mosaic Field, FSIN Leg assembly in Saskatoon, and Mosiac Aboriginal Pavillion open tnight (for 3 nights) &#8211; it was just one of those good days for my community. </p>
<p>I really felt we are coming together as a larger community and dealing with past stereotypes about our culture (and us in general) &#8211; and doing it in such a united positive way. I really am all smiles today&#8230;cartoon brought out the fire in me&#8230;but today was the actual kindling for what really matters &#8211; a united people(s) doing something positive for the community (5 events). I think this is the reason why I am so quick to be passionate about the Aboriginal community &#8211; to see days like these!</p>
<p>I had a chance to talk with an elder today about it all &#8211; and we were all smiles about the good things happening around us &#8211; despite all the problems we still need to see dealt with and re-focused. I really got a great sense od that community today &#8211; and it made my month (which oddly enough is something the group I am a part of &#8216;RAPA&#8217; is promoting as Aboriginal History Month).</p>
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		<title>By: OneSmallStep</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneSmallStep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first saw the picture and only read the post, I made no connection to anything like that, in terms of Aboriginal, or any sort of &quot;savage&quot; race that was re-educated for its own good.  It didn&#039;t even cross my mind.

It wasn&#039;t until I saw the word &quot;savage&quot; used in the comments that I mentally winced, because savage carries huge negative connotations (maybe I didn&#039;t make the link picture-wise because they were stick figures?  If it were in a movie fashion, with 3-D people &quot;dressing&quot; and &quot;behaving&quot; like savages, then it would be different).

But there&#039;s just too much background to the word.  The very word itself was used an excuse for the horrible treatment done to Native AMericans, and I don&#039;t think that was understood.  It was why they were killed, it was why their land was stolen, it was why their children were taken from them, why treaties were constantly broken, and I could just keep going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first saw the picture and only read the post, I made no connection to anything like that, in terms of Aboriginal, or any sort of &#8220;savage&#8221; race that was re-educated for its own good.  It didn&#8217;t even cross my mind.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until I saw the word &#8220;savage&#8221; used in the comments that I mentally winced, because savage carries huge negative connotations (maybe I didn&#8217;t make the link picture-wise because they were stick figures?  If it were in a movie fashion, with 3-D people &#8220;dressing&#8221; and &#8220;behaving&#8221; like savages, then it would be different).</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s just too much background to the word.  The very word itself was used an excuse for the horrible treatment done to Native AMericans, and I don&#8217;t think that was understood.  It was why they were killed, it was why their land was stolen, it was why their children were taken from them, why treaties were constantly broken, and I could just keep going.</p>
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		<title>By: yaelbatsarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>yaelbatsarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant to make a hyperlink:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Varieties-Religious-Experience-Study-Nature/dp/1426442890/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1212670785&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Varieties of Religious Experience&lt;/a&gt;.  Sounds like an interesting book, again IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant to make a hyperlink:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Varieties-Religious-Experience-Study-Nature/dp/1426442890/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1212670785&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Varieties of Religious Experience</a>.  Sounds like an interesting book, again IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: yaelbatsarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>yaelbatsarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I do take offense when the topic does go in the direction of someone non-Aboriginal telling an Aboriginal person how to think Aboriginally…and in this case it was merely about cultural sensitivity and nothing more. But that’s part of the battle these days.&lt;/i&gt;  

That&#039;s why you and I get along so well, Jason.  We have to deal with the same things just in different settings.  

No offense to NP, but I thought the cartoon was just plain stupid.  Church people are always crying that they&#039;re under attack.  I read the net, I read the news.  Seems to me the problem is rot from within and a lack of any real repair, not attacks from without, the same problem as we have in Judaism, the same problem that is seen in Islam.    Most of the rest of us could care less what&#039;s going on with churches and just wish to not be bothered by the pew fillers.  We&#039;re not the &#039;savages&#039; with our bows and arrows.  A better depiction would have been church people running out the door of the church with their weapons firing wildly in their scatter-shot evangelism attempts even as the church collapses in a heap behind them.  JMO

” . . . religious thinkers attract  disciples and produce groups of sympathizers. When these groups get strong enough to ‘organize’ themselves, they become ecclesiastical institutions with corporate ambitions of their own.  The spirit of politics and the lust of dogmatic rule are then apt to enter and to contaminate the originally innocent thing. . . when a religion has become an orthodoxy, its day of inwardness is over: the spring is dry; the faithful live at second hand exclusively and stone the prophets in their turn.  The new church, in spite of whatever human goodness it may foster, can be henceforth counted on as a staunch ally in every attempt to stifle the spontaneous religious spirit, and to stop all later bubblings of the fountain from which in purer days it drew its own supply of inspiration.”  (William James, Varieties of Religious Experience&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I do take offense when the topic does go in the direction of someone non-Aboriginal telling an Aboriginal person how to think Aboriginally…and in this case it was merely about cultural sensitivity and nothing more. But that’s part of the battle these days.</i>  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why you and I get along so well, Jason.  We have to deal with the same things just in different settings.  </p>
<p>No offense to NP, but I thought the cartoon was just plain stupid.  Church people are always crying that they&#8217;re under attack.  I read the net, I read the news.  Seems to me the problem is rot from within and a lack of any real repair, not attacks from without, the same problem as we have in Judaism, the same problem that is seen in Islam.    Most of the rest of us could care less what&#8217;s going on with churches and just wish to not be bothered by the pew fillers.  We&#8217;re not the &#8217;savages&#8217; with our bows and arrows.  A better depiction would have been church people running out the door of the church with their weapons firing wildly in their scatter-shot evangelism attempts even as the church collapses in a heap behind them.  JMO</p>
<p>” . . . religious thinkers attract  disciples and produce groups of sympathizers. When these groups get strong enough to ‘organize’ themselves, they become ecclesiastical institutions with corporate ambitions of their own.  The spirit of politics and the lust of dogmatic rule are then apt to enter and to contaminate the originally innocent thing. . . when a religion has become an orthodoxy, its day of inwardness is over: the spring is dry; the faithful live at second hand exclusively and stone the prophets in their turn.  The new church, in spite of whatever human goodness it may foster, can be henceforth counted on as a staunch ally in every attempt to stifle the spontaneous religious spirit, and to stop all later bubblings of the fountain from which in purer days it drew its own supply of inspiration.”  (William James, Varieties of Religious Experience)</p>
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		<title>By: SocietyVs</title>
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		<dc:creator>SocietyVs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks LGF - those were nice words and I appreciate them. I just had to clarify that sometimes when we say things - well we say things we might not mean - and someone else might take serious offense at the comment. I do take offense when the topic does go in the direction of someone non-Aboriginal telling an Aboriginal person how to think Aboriginally...and in this case it was merely about cultural sensitivity and nothing more. But that&#039;s part of the battle these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks LGF &#8211; those were nice words and I appreciate them. I just had to clarify that sometimes when we say things &#8211; well we say things we might not mean &#8211; and someone else might take serious offense at the comment. I do take offense when the topic does go in the direction of someone non-Aboriginal telling an Aboriginal person how to think Aboriginally&#8230;and in this case it was merely about cultural sensitivity and nothing more. But that&#8217;s part of the battle these days.</p>
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		<title>By: lostgirlfound</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostgirlfound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason ... I, for one, am pleased that you are vocal about the &quot;first people&quot; history you have.  I also get really, really pissed when people (especially Christians) want to gloss over the horrific mistakes we have made in the past, especially in the name of Jesus.  True, we may not have &quot;done&quot; anything.  But it is a part of who we are, no different than &quot;original sin,&quot; right?  I believe it&#039;s time Christians get their proverbial head out of their &quot;you know what,&quot; admit they&#039;ve drawn lines instead of love, and welcome various opinions into their relationships.  Thanks for your voice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8230; I, for one, am pleased that you are vocal about the &#8220;first people&#8221; history you have.  I also get really, really pissed when people (especially Christians) want to gloss over the horrific mistakes we have made in the past, especially in the name of Jesus.  True, we may not have &#8220;done&#8221; anything.  But it is a part of who we are, no different than &#8220;original sin,&#8221; right?  I believe it&#8217;s time Christians get their proverbial head out of their &#8220;you know what,&#8221; admit they&#8217;ve drawn lines instead of love, and welcome various opinions into their relationships.  Thanks for your voice!</p>
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		<title>By: societyvs</title>
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		<dc:creator>societyvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John I will send you an e-mail so you have my e-mail address - I don&#039;t mind speaking about this stuff on a more personal level - makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John I will send you an e-mail so you have my e-mail address &#8211; I don&#8217;t mind speaking about this stuff on a more personal level &#8211; makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: John T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops

Mine is Tatsden@rogers.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops</p>
<p>Mine is <a href="mailto:Tatsden@rogers.com">Tatsden@rogers.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason

Do you have an email address. I would love to talk some more about this stuff directly if you wouldnt mind.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason</p>
<p>Do you have an email address. I would love to talk some more about this stuff directly if you wouldnt mind.</p>
<p>John</p>
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