“What I find contradictory in some Christian circles is the use of Torah as a reason for continuing their condemnation of homosexuality. Always I am told that Jesus did away with the law, it is effect no more, yet when it comes to homosexuality all of the sudden I hear that Torah calls it an abomination!” (Yaelbatsarah)
“Good point. I think we do see a lot of this double talk in the faith about the law being finished yet they refer to it like it’s still enacted – making it tough for one to even know what that person believes. ” (SocietyVs)
“Regarding the law not being in effect. Jesus came to fulfill the law – Matt 5:17 – “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them“.The law points us to Jesus, the only person who upheld the law. We then believe in Him and we are saved (John 3).” (Jim Jordan)
“My belief is that the law was not abolished by Christs’ sacrifice. Christ ‘fulfilled‘ the law…By repenting and accepting Christ as Lord our sins are covered by His sacrifice. That does not make the law obsolete. Those who have yet to accept Christ as Lord are still under the law” (Brother Ken)
These are competing views from 4 different people – 3 within the Christian realm and 1 from the Judaic faith. So let me lay them out for you – so there is no confusion what is being said.
(1) Yael finds it interesting – and so do I – this contradictory stand within the Christian faith about the law being ‘fulfilled’ and yet the use of the Law is still enacted as a strong basis for judgement (that’s a contradiction). Either ‘it is finished’ or ‘it is not’ – it cannot be both.
(2) Jim and Ken are coming from the camp that Jesus did ‘fulfill’ the law – and through his sacrifice we are ‘saved’ (and the law can be used to point us there). Not only that Ken tacks on the idea the law is still required by people not under this ‘salvation’ offered by Christ – so it is both ‘ways’. Law is and isn’t required.
I also have to raise the question ‘are we still required to follow the law?’. Take a close look at Matthew 5:17 – Jesus does say ‘fulfill’ – but how do we interpret that? I can see 2 ways: (a) fulfill the prophets sayings as is used a lot in the gospels; (b) maybe simply to ‘do’ the law also – or to complete the sayings of the law (as the gospels also point out hypocrisy on the part of the religious groups of the day). Can this be a two-fold idea?