Politickin’ I Reckon I Be Wrecking

It’s that time of year – yes it’s time to vote again…in Canada and America…who would think we would have elections at the same time (like this was all thought out in advance or something). So I am going to rant and bring up the same problems I have with politics and faith.

(1) Americans have been telling me lately that my opinion on their country’s leadership means little to nothing – cause I am a cursed Canuck. They are 80% wrong at the least. Why 80%? Because that’s the amount of trade Canada does with America (20% with the rest of the world). So yeah, I ought to have a vested interest in America…if I didn’t I wouldn’t be of sound mind.

Second reason is America is fighting wars where Canada is part of the coalition – ie: Afghanistan. More Canadian die and are wounded in that country than American soldiers at this point. This is a war predicated on America’s entry into/beginning a war in that country in the Middle East. America is effecting the world on a global scale and this does include Canadians in the mix. So yes, I have some interest in the next president.

(2) Canadians do not take politics as seriously as Americans – must be something in the tap water? Up here we argue about the benefits of socialism as openly as we argue for capitalism….we are conservatives, liberals, and democrats – and no one really cares what party you belong to. There are no fights at the breakfast table because mom and dad do not vote the same…cause politics is retarded (I know that was politically incorrect).

(3) I am not sure of a Christians role in politics – nothing of the like is mentioned in the bible (more or less). Yet this is a consistent theme amongst conservative and liberal Christians alike – dedicating time to the battle of the trenches of the saviours of America/Canada. I, and this is a personal opinion, am not sure a Christian should have anything to do with political movements – which in essence – are woven with evil. is God shaking hands with the devil? You tell me.

(4) I do not support Conservative movements and never will – because I am a minority in a country that doesn’t care much about minorities. Conservatives dedicate the least time to this of any political party. Why should I care about a party that cares very little for me?

(5) I am a hypocrite, I will vote. I am adamantly against politics and Christian involvement – but not to the point we should not vote. Call me someone that thinks the church is better a ‘grass-roots’ movement – but church and politics is bloody messy (and not in that good way we Christians like blood). Yet, I feel voting is something I enjoy doing – since we should have a say about our rulers (unlike Roman times).

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11 thoughts on “Politickin’ I Reckon I Be Wrecking

  1. Hi society
    Americans have been telling me lately that my opinion on their country’s leadership means little to nothing

    No, just your vote. Your opinion does mean something. It’s called our standing in the world and yes, that is important.
    2) Canadians do not take politics as seriously as Americans

    Dunno, that lady on the human rights commission in BC is pretty serious!
    3) I am not sure of a Christians role in politics – nothing of the like is mentioned in the bible
    Oh? King Josiah called on the people to repent and they did. So did many other leaders.
    Christians are no different than any other people. C’mon, Jason, if someone says that Christians shouldn’t get involved in politics, do you really believe they are being genuine? Do you think they’ll vote your interests while you’re home praying for them? Ha!
    4) Their seems to be a prejudice against First Nations people. You need to fight that.
    5) Good choice. If Christians don’t vote, pagans vote in their stead.

  2. Society,

    “(3) I am not sure of a Christians role in politics – nothing of the like is mentioned in the bible (more or less).”

    Acutally I think the bible has quite a bit to say about politics. It’s just that most people don’t seem to believe those things apply to politics. “Thou shalt not steal” is one of the biggest political statements there is in the bible. So is “thou shalt not covet” and “thou shalt not bear false witness.” If the fine citizens of my fair city decide it would be a wonderful thing to have a park downtown, but have no money to do it, they could resort to coveting the contents of my wallet. They could act out their covetousness by passing a tax that would take the contents of my wallet by force (coercion), or maybe even confiscate my land to build the park on, and would become thieves. In objecting to the theft and defending my property, I could be convicted of some imaginary “crime” like refusing to vacate my property before the wrecking ball hits it, and they could engage in bearing false witness against me by wrongly calling me a lawbreaker, when in fact they would be the criminals, violating all three.

    Almost every political act by governments is a violation of political statements in the bible. This is why I despise politicians and the people who support them. In my mind, a Christian can get involved in politics in a couple of ways. Striving to make sure no new laws that contradict the bible ever get passed, and striving to repeal all existing laws that are wrong. Having a high respect for the authority that God gives to others is the best political position one can have.

  3. “(1) Americans have been telling me lately that my opinion on their country’s leadership means little to nothing ”

    Yeah, this is strange. I find it quite refreshing to hear what others think of our country. It beats the same old trash we hear from our own.

  4. “they could engage in bearing false witness against me by wrongly calling me a lawbreaker, when in fact they would be the criminals, violating all three.” (Steve)

    But is the law the same thing as politics….wouldn’t the constitution (a foundational document) be more closer to faith than actual politics? I admit the bible is about law – no disagreement there – but law of one’s condition is not the same as law of one’s country (they will differ in degrees).

    I also admit my shortcoming on this – no one voted in the times of the bible so that is the reason it’s not mentioned at all. Israel is also a country so that also makes this a little different…since the Christian (by virtue of no country) is a sojourner. Yet, we all live in countries governed by laws and codes of ethics. Which is greater – the law of country or the law of faith – or maybe they are complimentary?

    “Christians are no different than any other people. C’mon, Jason, if someone says that Christians shouldn’t get involved in politics, do you really believe they are being genuine? Do you think they’ll vote your interests while you’re home praying for them? Ha!” (Jim)

    Agreed…but I can see the downfall of this all – who is getting your ‘worship’ God or kingdom? Maybe both – and maybe that’s alright? Are you an American Christian or a Christian American? Those are the differences I am addressing when I deal with politics.

    However, we have the right to vote and since this is not addressed in the bible – voting cannot be bad (it’s rather negligible). However, if one’s party affiliation causes them to ‘hate their brother’ , ’cause division’ or some other ‘sin’ – then their love for country is getting in the way of their actual faith. I think it is these types of things I address during political times because this stuff happens – and many Christians do not know they are even doing it.

    “Good choice. If Christians don’t vote, pagans vote in their stead” (Jim)

    Explain pagan? How do we recognize one and what does their vote look like?

    That’s the kind fo stuff I address during this political time – would you as a Christian call someone a pagan because they are not a Christian? To me, it seems like name calling and nothing more. I have never called anyone a pagan in my lifetime – not sure if I could detect an actual one from a fake one – having never seen one.

    Plus the term is severely outdated and rather offensive to people now – it’s like calling someone a heathen. This is the same attitude that helped my people to suffer horrendous abuse in the name of God (this superflous name calling used as justifcation). So to me, it can be seen as offensive…I may not take offense if called it personally – but I know some people that would.

    My feelings on politics is mixed – as it always was…but I avoid ‘sin’ in the endeavor – and all else is meaningless to me. My only true concern with the political process is that Christians can behave themselves in a way keeping with being just before a greater law than that of the land – God’s standards for our treatment of humanity. That being said, voting is just par for the course.

  5. I am not sure of a Christians role in politics (SVS)

    I’m not too sure about it either, even though I think it is important to vote. And there is the argument, in First Nations circles anyways, that to vote in the elections held within Canada is to willingly partake in a foreign government.

    I am not one to get too involved in politics although I have my opinions. So it seems ironic that I am organizing an all candidates forum at Indian Metis Christian Fellowship.

  6. “Good choice. If Christians don’t vote, pagans vote in their stead” (Jim)

    Explain pagan? How do we recognize one and what does their vote look like?(jason)

    Seeing as most of Christianity is borrowed from Pagan traditions, I suggest if you call yourself “Christian” all you need to do is look in the mirror if you want to see what a Pagan looks like. 😉

  7. In societies such as ours and the states, what separates the parties from each other? Not much……………”Birds of a feather, flock together”……….I will vote for the one who shits the least on me, from my perspective at least lol.

  8. Explain pagan?

    A pagan rejects God’s wisdom and places his/her own intuition first. Paganism is not out of date. When people stop rejecting God’s wisdom, they’ll go away. 🙂 Many Christians act like Pagans because they put their liberal or conservative beliefs first when they contradict God’s standards.
    I’m a Christian from America, by the way.

    JT–most of Christianity is borrowed from Pagan traditions

    10 commandments, Jesus Christ from Pagan traditions?

  9. JJ

    Jesus Christ………..born on december 25……… can you say Mithras, horus and several others…….I wonder if the early Christians knew about the similarities……hmm I wonder. JJ, if youd like I can bring to light many, many coincidences of Christian beliefs and faiths that predate Jesus. In modern terms its called plagiarism.

  10. JT
    I know exactly where you’re coming from. I wrote about this a year and a half ago [My one comment was from Societyvs even]. The Mithras link is bunk, but December 25th being the previous Saturnalia/Winter Solstice is legitimate. However, the paganization you talk about occurred in the 4th Century onward when the church adopted many of the Pagan customs in order to absorb ithe Pagan religion. Whereas that worked, it has been cannon fodder for lazy skeptics over the centuries, one of them being Dan Brown of Davinci Code fame.

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