Is God Religious?

Is God Religious?

Humans are religious and we have a whole spectrum of things we do with and for God…we create tradition, ritual, writings, etc.

However is this a one-sided notion…only us looking at God?

If God looks back, is He religious about humans? Does He focus all of His intention on us making us His religion?

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13 thoughts on “Is God Religious?

  1. is God religious? i dunno. we can reach God through religion often times. traditions are built around the human/divine interactions and become ritual, dogma, and doctrine. there is an ancient saying stating that “the Bible is for us, God is not bound by it” -Gregory of Nyssa. simply put, religion is for us, God is not bound by it. God is religious, save for when God isn’t. God goes along with some doctrines, rituals, and such, just as God blows them out of the water. the infinite needs boundaries for our finite minds, but our glimpses of the infinite do not constitute the full view.

  2. aaaaahhhh… now there’s the question. i would answer yes. although not exclusively humanity, more of all of creation. only God’s doctrines are things like gravity and such.

  3. “i would answer yes. although not exclusively humanity, more of all of creation.” (Z1G)

    I agree. Which raises a great question on balance for Christians faith practice, how much focus should we put on God since we also have to be concerned with our life’s creation?

  4. why make the separation? our life’s creation should be inline with God’s purposes and commandments of honoring one another, to greet and see ‘Christ/the divine/the intrinsic worth of another being’ in one another. there is no separation for me. they are one in the same. focusing on God helps me focus on my relationships with another, focusing on my life’s creation helps me see God.

  5. “why make the separation? our life’s creation should be inline with God’s purposes…” (Z1G)

    I agree, no separation needed. However, this isn’t true across the board for Christians everywhere. In some Evangelical Circles unless God gets credit for everything, because He is selfish and in need of the attention, then your faith is waning. In the end the goal is ‘to become nothing’. I have seen this teaching at work in people’s lives; I find it lopsided.

    I think faith is life, like breathing is. I, like you, make no separation between the lines of faith and my personal life – they are intertwined like fabrics in a coat making the whole thing a ‘coat’…except in this case faith is intertwined with the many things that make ‘my life’.

    Is God religious? ‘I am’ not sure but ‘I am’ (religious). I think we have to be viewed as His focus (and creation) and we need to find the balance of how that fits for time spent on the issue and about God – since we have other things to focus on as well (ie: kids, work, music/art, reading, TV, family, wife, etc).

  6. Yes, I think you could define us (and creation in general) as God’s religion. I believe that His creation is His main focus in His existence. I believe humans (any any other sentient beings that may exist out there) are a large part of that focus because we are able to have a relationship with God. The foundation of my belief is that God is love. I believe that God loves each human being absolutely and unconditionally. We are able to return that love, allowing each of us to have a personal relationship with God. We are also able to love each other, something I believe God takes pleasure in.

    I also do not see a separation between my faith and my personal life. I don’t think God expects us to consciously focus on Him every waking moment. That would be completely unreasonable. How could we live our lives? Instead, I believe that God is always with each of us, He is living our life with us. Even if we are not continuously focused on Him, He is still there.

    I never understood the idea in some conservative Christian circles that we are nothing and God is everything. I just don’t buy it. Yes, God is the Creator of the universe, but we are made of God in God’s image, meaning we also have the ability to create. We make beautiful art and music, write wonderful books and plays, and build amazing structures, just to name a few things. I think our creative power is one of the best aspects of humanity and another thing that God takes pleasure in.

  7. “Does He focus all of His intention on us making us His religion?”- svs

    No, as humans are not the only species living on earth. There are more insects than humans, so clearly the x-ian god (Wilfred Bird keeping the ‘x’ in x-mas) loves them more than humans. If not, why are they (insects) more fruitful and multiplying?
    Also the notion that humanity is on top of some hierarchy over all things is not proven or verifiable. What species is? I would say any animal, insect, fish that knows how to live in its environment without destroying it. That excludes humanity pretty quickly.

    Also God is not love. I am not sure where this ridiculous notion came from. Babies who die go to hell. (http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00126_do_babies_automatically_go_to_heaven_web.htm)

    Another great story of god’s hatred : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iNoM14t-ZM&feature=relmfu

    If anything the x-ian god is a killer
    1) http://www.biggergod.com/killer.html
    2) http://www.higherpraise.com/AAAllen/Part1_God_Is_A_Killer.htm

    Prove me wrong.

  8. “There are more insects than humans, so clearly the x-ian god (Wilfred Bird keeping the ‘x’ in x-mas) loves them more than humans” (Wolf)

    False expectation I would think – just because there is more of something that does not automatically mean it’s ‘loved more’. If there are more weeds in someone lawn should we expect them to love weeds more than grass?

    “Also God is not love. I am not sure where this ridiculous notion came from. Babies who die go to hell” (Wolf)

    The notion is easy to find peppered throughout scriptures – thus a Christian and Jewish focus garnered from scripture would make logical sense as a focus. I am sure you knew that though.

    The God of love, which is under attack, is under attack for good reason – because many things in scripture don’t seem ‘so loving at all’. However, babies going to hell is not actually in scripture and is a ‘moot notion’.

    Which brings us to the question of ‘love’, how do we define it and what does it play out like? It is only in this comparison can we make any assumptions about God’s love as comprised from scriptural ideas. Which I think is fair.

    “If anything the x-ian god is a killer” (Wolf)

    There are many biblical stories where this claim is being made, I can see the point of this assertion. I wonder though how much of scripture is a human lens written into the stories? For me, this changes a lot concerning interpretation and how we view the stories in context of our lives – since we need to take into account the human element – seeing that God didn’t write anything according to scripture itself.

    However, even if the breathe of life takes life (much like we do), is there a better alternative (that does not kill) which we should follow? And is the idea that life is taken by the breathe of life honestly make it a worse option in the grand scheme of things on this planet?

  9. “babies going to hell is not actually in scripture and is a ‘moot notion’. ” SVS

    Ah, but there are no scriptures to say babies go to heaven either. The article by Mr. Napier is what some christians honestly believe and whose view is very scripture based. The doctrine of salvation is through faith alone in a man named Joshua. Who babies can have no knowledge of and cannot make an honest profession of.

    “seeing that God didn’t write anything according to scripture itself. ” Svs
    Good point. If we do not use the bible, and go according to modern dialogue and discourse on morality, we would be a lot farther ahead on issues like, abortion, condom use, stem cell research, happiness, etc… Old Josh the Christ said the same thing in his day. He said, the 10 laws are done. Now there is two laws: love god, love your neighbor. He modernized his religion. Let’s modernize it again to just say, love your neighbor.

  10. “Ah, but there are no scriptures to say babies go to heaven either.” (Wolf)

    This is somewhat true, however there seems be some inclination that Jesus loved children and I do believe his exact quote about children was “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (Matt 19:14). One could argue this is speaking of heaven belonging to children (I would tend to think there is some truth to that).

    “Who babies can have no knowledge of and cannot make an honest profession of.” (Wolf)

    I find that absurd since children cannot profess to much of anything with substance – like why they lean left in their politics or why cookies come in so many varieties. Mr Napier has not studied children much and the fact he cannot understand their comprehension level makes his article more rubbish than good theology.

    “If we do not use the bible, and go according to modern dialogue and discourse on morality, we would be a lot farther ahead on issues like, abortion, condom use, stem cell research, happiness, etc…” (Wolf)

    Throwing the baby (bible) out with the bathwater (biblical problems) is too far a step IMO. Morality can be derived from the bible and to derive people of that part of their life’s choices is slightly inhumane on some level. You act as if there is no morality to be garnered from the bible?

    “He modernized his religion. Let’s modernize it again to just say, love your neighbor.” (Wolf)

    There is a really a few good points here, however its theologically derived at so (go figure).

    (a) Paul and James both cut out the ‘love God’ part and plainly say ‘loving your neighbor is a fulfillment of the law’…meaning they saw one’s actions towards others as their honor to God…at least that’s how I have always viewed that.

    (b) In Paul’s letters there is a sense of growth from a child to an adult and growing up – moving from milk to meat so to speak. It isn’t to absurd to think that growth could include less reliance on God – since this would be about assuming the role of an adult complete with decision making skills and a knowledge of good/evil within each decision we make…also responsibility. Maybe part of a good Christians growth is losing notions of utter reliance on God? This can be argued as a notion that makes sense.

    I also tend to view having no belief in God as something people arrive at – and if God cannot understand why then it is strange to me (since I can). Is God really that upset with unbelief for the right reasons?

  11. Although I understand the intent behind the question, it’s clearly a misformulated question. Religion by definition, stemming from the latin ‘religare’ meaning ‘to join/connect’, is the set of teachings or doctrines through which we humans can properly establish ‘connection’ with God. Now, this very set of teachings and doctrines have been made available by God just as the water has been made available to satisfy our thirst, replenish the earth, trees, seas, etc. He created religion as a means for US (not for Him) to connect to Him. As for God, He is in no ‘need’ of us no more than the vast earth from which we stem is in ‘need’ of returning to dust to subsist. The relationship is greatly different; it’s not one of equality. God cannot be religious, only we can.

    Does God watch over His creation? No doubt!!! God IS the Sustainer of mankind! So much has been invested in us: atoms, molecules, cells, tissues, organs, blood, neurons, brain, intellect, faculty of choice, mouth, nose, ears, heart, food, water, air, trees, fruits, fish, meats, sun, moon, seas, rain, etc … There are TOO MANY things that point to the fact that God is signaling us that He is there and that we have not been left alone. Simple observation shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that God HAS invested and IS investing is us on a millisecond by millisecond basis. It’s actually really sad for a person to live a long life never wondering about the One Who has provided all the things that made possible his long life. We are (for the most part) an ungrateful creation.

    May God guide us to the Straight Path.

  12. Correction: As for God, He is in no ‘need’ of us no more than the vast earth from which we stem is in ‘need’ of US returning to dust to subsist.

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