From a Mosque in Manhattan to a Good Ole’ Book Burning!

What’s next as the level of stupidity in parts of America continues to rise?

They want to have a book burning party to celebrate the anniversay of Sept 11, 2010 (the 9th year anniverary of the tragedy)…this time it’s the Qu’ran to be burnt. Good grief.

People on the record condemning this action – United Nations, Obama, Clinton, Angelina Jolie, The Pope, General David Petraeus, Charlotte Knobloch, president of Germany’s Central Council of Jews, etc.

Kind of funny someone Jewish would be defending this action but here is what she said ‘The idea is terrible and repulsive’…why? Oh right, because history has already taught us a lesson on actions like this. Nazi’s during WW2 burned a lot of books they deemed as no good for the state, which targeted Jewish people and their works. Sounding familiar 2010?

All this sparked by Muslims wanting to build a mosque in Manhattan…I guess I don’t see the connection? What does a burning a book have to do with a mosque being built? Oh wait, it’s a cultural war.

We don’t like those people and their beliefs so we’ll burn their sacred book as mockery to their cultural beliefs. We’ll further de-humanize a people we see as 100% responsible for everything bad that’s happened to America since the fall of Communism. As if Abu Gharib wasn’t enough, sheesh.

I am calling this one what it is, racism. Burning the Qu’ran is not being to heat someone’s home, it’s being done to humiliate a people group that hold that book with some value. I have to wonder what’s next in this onslaught on Middle East foreigners.

19 thoughts on “From a Mosque in Manhattan to a Good Ole’ Book Burning!

  1. What would Jesus do a good ole book burning? The pastor in Florida believes he would throw in the Quran…Florida has to be one of the craziest places on this planet. From celebrating the death of abortion doctors to wanting to burn a Qu’ran to celebrate 9/11…yeow!

  2. I think you just summarized the thoughts of every sane person on the earth. You are talking about a fringe group of idiots that don’t have a clue about foreign relations and have justified this stunt in their minds. 

    Here are some more post ideas for you:
    -Give us your opinion on NAMBLA (North American man boy love association) 

    -Please tells us what you think of the KKK

    -I would love to your wisdom on the people that think that our government flew planes into the world trade center and blew up the New Orleans levees. 

    -Tell me more about what you think about people who kill abortion doctors. 

    -Write a post about child pornographers (I guess these people are the same as NAMBLA)

    There are many groups of people that have ridiculous ideas that get attention by performing outrageous stunts. If you are going to write a post about one of them please tell us something we don’t already know.  These people don’t represent any sane religious group. Many religious groups have make statements condemning these actions. The reason why they make these statements is because they know that some people (like you) are going to associate this small church with their group.  

    If you think that this church represents Christians, no wonder you have lost your religion.

  3. The last response before this one reminds me of how the world (for the most part) reacted to Hitler’s increasingly serious antics in pre-World War II Europe. Unfortunately, there are many people, who “call” themselves Christian, and others who simply have a distaste and distrust of any “foreigners”, who support what this daft leader of a daft flock is proclaiming.

  4. “You are talking about a fringe group of idiots that don’t have a clue about foreign relations and have justified this stunt in their minds” (MBP)

    I don’t think I justified it, and it isn’t really a ‘stunt’ if it’s catching national press with support from a variety of places within America. This is directly associated to 9/11’s anniversary and connected with the anti-Muslim sentiments surrounding the building of the mosque in NYC. This ‘fringe’ group is just taking it a step too far, but no different than stopping other Muslims from building a mosque by the 9/11 zone in NYC. This problem isn’t on the fringe, this anti-Muslim atmosphere within America right now.

    “If you think that this church represents Christians, no wonder you have lost your religion” (MBP)

    I also think you need to check on what the church believes more, since the church is not one single denomination of believers, but a variety. Sure a pastor in Florida wants to have a book burning, and maybe he’s an isolated case…but the church in general is supporting some pretty stupid things across the board.

    Many churches have anti-Islamic sentiments and paint that religion as quite dangerous. Other churches are anti-abortion, and some of them don’t say much when they find out 50,000 (and counting) incidents have happened in America since 1977 towards abortion clinics and personel. So what you see as ‘fringe’ is not really that fringe on a bigger picture, you just want to look from your small lense and say ‘I don’t see it’. Catholics support the ban on contraceptives in Africa regions torn with AIDS, helping to continue the pattern of it spreading…which is ignorance at it’s best.

    I am losing ‘that’ type of religion and I am speaking out against it and the need for reform. Now if you in that ‘type’ of religion and support any of those causes, it’s probably best you look into them as well and see what it is you support when you walk hand and hand with any of these people in rally’s and protests.

    • Great thoughts.

      “I don’t think I justified it, and it isn’t really a ‘stunt’ if it’s catching national press with support from a variety of places within America.” – societyvs
      Who is supporting this book burning? Other groups of Christians? The Media? Who do you mean?

      “Many churches have anti-Islamic sentiments and paint that religion as quite dangerous.” -societyvs
      Very few churches and Christians teach about hating Muslims, very few, the fringe. These churches are not supported by the majority view of Jesus Christ’s teachings. Again, I think you are taking the thoughts/beliefs of the fringe and you are associating their views with the teachings of Jesus. They are rogue but yet the press and blogs like yours paint them as the norm. As I talk with Christians I know, I have never encountered the thoughts of hatred towards Muslims. If you encounter these people, then they are going against the teachings of Christ.

      We, as Christians, believe that the religion of Islam is incorrect and do think that terrorist who terrorize in the name of Allah are dangerous. But everyone I know believes these are extreme people and are the minority of Muslims. I’ve never heard a pastor (I listen to many many sermons a day through podcasts) say that Muslims are dangerous. You may be confusing republicans/conservatives with Christians. The political world is a different world than the church.

      When you think of a Muslim, do you think of that Muslim as someone who wants to terrorize or do you think of them as a loving Muslims that follow loving teachings of the prophets? I am going to guess that you see them as loving people and not terrorist. Correct? But yet there are many who perform terror in the name of Allah. They are the fringe. Most Muslim condemn these acts.

      So why not view most Christians and followers of Christ, who preaches love, as loving people who oppose these fringe beliefs? Most have tolerance for Muslims but it seems that they do not have tolerance for Christians. You may already believe that Christians are loving but it seems like there are many who have tolerance for Muslims but no tolerance for Christians. Why is that?

      “Other churches are anti-abortion, and some of them don’t say much when they find out 50,000 (and counting) incidents have happened in America since 1977 towards abortion clinics and personel.” societyvs
      These are fringe Christian groups who since 1977, have killed at least eight people, have 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers. There have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers and 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid (“stink bombs”).

      Considering the amount of Christians in the world I think this, again, is a very small group of incidents and are the fringe.

      “Catholics support the ban on contraceptives in Africa regions torn with AIDS, helping to continue the pattern of it spreading…which is ignorance at it’s best.” -societyvs
      Good point. I’m not sure I have a good answer for this. I do know people personally who are in Africa helping in orphanages so I know that we are helping but I’m not sure to what extent.

      “Now if you [are] in that ‘type’ of religion and support any of those causes, it’s probably best you look into them as well and see what it is you support when you walk hand and hand with any of these people in rally’s and protests.” -societyvs
      I think I answered this above. I’m not sure what rally and protests you are referring to. Abortion protests? If so, then you are assuming that all people at abortion clinic protests support killing, harming or vandalism of abortion clinics or clinic employees/volunteers. That is a terrible assumption. I don’t know of any Christian group that has supported this type of activity. Please correct me if you know of any.

      I love this blog and I love this type of pleasant discussion. Thanks for what you do!

  5. Wouldn’t this be the church exercising it’s religious freedom? It is similar in nature to the new cultural center / mosque except when the mosque is built, there is not fear across the world of extreme acts of violence from Christians.

    It is distasteful, but oh well. Nothing illegal about pissing people off in the U.S.

  6. “Bigotry is the more correct term. Afterall, Islam like Judaism or Christianity is not a “race” of people” (T4T)

    I agree, since for all logical reasoning you are correct. However I can’t help but feel when people think of a ‘Muslim’ they aren’t picturing a blonde hair, blue eyed, Texan with a southern drawl…you know.

  7. “Who is supporting this book burning? Other groups of Christians? The Media? Who do you mean?” (MBP)

    I would say the support is from within various Christian communities (more hidden support than anything), you tell me which big name pastors are coming out in condemnation of this act? I have read media reports, the only one I seen is the Pope. But this all goes back to how Christian denoms view Islam, as a religion ‘not of God’ (it’s a divisive view to start with). *Didn’t the Pope apologize to Muslims a few years back as well about past treatment?

    “Very few churches and Christians teach about hating Muslims, very few, the fringe. These churches are not supported by the majority view of Jesus Christ’s teachings” (MBP)

    (a) I agree they are not supported by the teachings of Jesus

    (b) This does not mean most churches view Muslims with a high level of respect or tolerance

    (c) Because the atmosphere in America is lending itself to a dis-like of Middle Eastener’s, ie: Muslims. Many Christians are American Patriots first, Christians second.

    And this is where I always weigh in from, is it politics or religion that is making certain people dislike Muslims more? Well, both to some degree.

    “As I talk with Christians I know, I have never encountered the thoughts of hatred towards Muslims” (MBP)

    True, and I agree with you on that – out-right hatred I never see either.

    But it’s like the gay issue, in that I never see Christians defending the Muslims either. But when something violent happens to one of these people (ie: Matthew Sheppard or a Muslim being harrassed at school) Christians start with ‘I never wanted that to happen’. Yet, by their very words they almost unconsciously approved to some degree. Because Christianity stands firmly opposed to both gay rights and other religions and rails against them in tones of discontent with them. Sure it’s not out-right hatred, but it’s not being a good samaritan either.

    “So why not view most Christians and followers of Christ, who preaches love, as loving people who oppose these fringe beliefs?” (MBP)

    I tend to agree, good point. But what is love then? Is love letting someone blind walk blindly when they can lend a hand? Is love letting some whack-jobs run the religion or calling them on it? What is your version of love…silence?

    “Considering the amount of Christians in the world I think this, again, is a very small group of incidents and are the fringe” (MBP)

    True, but the 155,000 incidents have happened in America, which changes the stats altogther. It is still a low % that is doing these ‘evil’ acts against the doctors and others at these centres…but I have to wonder why Christians say little against this terrorism? Is it because the people doing this and supporting are also just as culpable by their own speech in supporting ‘pro-life’ movements?

    “If so, then you are assuming that all people at abortion clinic protests support killing, harming or vandalism of abortion clinics or clinic employees/volunteers. That is a terrible assumption…” (MBP)

    It is a terrible assumption, but I am not assuming that. I am assuming they are ‘all’ there supporting the same cause – and this creedence lends durability to radical movements within the pro life camp. You see the radicals in the movement have quite the support as they see it, because the movement is so filled with emotion from ‘all’ the pro-lifers no is taking the time to condemn the actions of the few that is ruining the reputation of the whole group.

    I still wonder, is anyone in the pro-life camp speaking out against this terrorism – and maybe this is the fringe within that camp?

  8. “I would say the support is from within various Christian communities (more hidden support than anything), you tell me which big name pastors are coming out in condemnation of this act? ” SocietyVS

    The pope did. The evangelical association did. Heck, my pastor this sunday did. Even the idiot Pat Robertson did. http://blogs.chron.com/talkingtolerance/2010/09/the_egotistical_stupid_quranbu.html

    “Because Christianity stands firmly opposed to both gay rights and other religions and rails against them in tones of discontent with them. Sure it’s not out-right hatred, but it’s not being a good samaritan either.” SocietyVS

    This is a very very good point. I guess as a Christian I sit back and think how stupid it is that other Christians dislike homosexuals. I don’t think about it that much because I don’t see the hatred towards homosexuals. When violence happens against someone who is gay, then I think that they are messed up in the head to care enough about the issue to hurt someone.

    I do see people protesting and getting angry about the marriage issue, but I don’t think that is about people being gay as much as it is about changing the definition of marriage. I wouldn’t translate the anger you see there to these people hating people that are gay or lesbian.

    I just don’t hear this hatred towards homosexuals. I think it is dying off. I think in a generation we won’t see this much more.

    But you make a really good point that Christians are coming out enough and saying “If you are gay/lesbian/bi/transgender, we love you.” Maybe we should do that more.

    “True, but the 155,000 incidents have happened in America, which changes the stats altogther. It is still a low % that is doing these ‘evil’ acts against the doctors and others at these centres…but I have to wonder why Christians say little against this terrorism?” SocietyVS
    I’m not totally convinced that there have been 155,000 incidents. I listed all that I saw on Wikipedia and it came out to about 4000 incidents and 2/3 of those are trespassing and vandalism. Where did you get that number?

    We do speak out against these acts! The media just doesn’t cover it. Just like you didn’t see much about Christians speaking about against the Koran burning, but they were.

  9. “Where did you get that number?” (MBP)

    Movie called 12th and Delaware about an abortion clinic and a pro life place existing across the street from one another.

    “We do speak out against these acts! The media just doesn’t cover it” (MBP)

    Valid point, I can admit this is likely the case and something for me to think about and keep in consideration. I think the media loves the negative aspects of things and they use that as ‘news’.

    As for those 4000 incidents being ‘just’ vandalism and trespassing, you should probably look more closely into that. That vandalism and trespassing is tactics of fear or picketing/protesting – which has a tone of fear attached to it. I would say watch 12th and Delaware if you get a chance to see exactly what I mean by this.

    “The pope did. The evangelical association did. Heck, my pastor this sunday did. Even the idiot Pat Robertson did.” (MBP)

    Good to hear, man I should check more into these things – I just hadn’t heard anything. Well good to see we have within Christianity some sensible people when it comes to religious tolerance.

  10. Well good to see we have within Christianity some sensible people when it comes to religious tolerance(SVS)

    Im not so sure you can use the word “sensible” when it comes to religion. Fantastical maybe.

  11. “Im not so sure you can use the word “sensible” when it comes to religion” (T4T)

    Oh brother…this again. Whats up with this painting people that have a religious bone in their body as if their is something wrong with them? Some people’s kids just cannot respect what another has I guess?

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